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Rove and Hannity's Barely Conceal Glee Over Rising Gas Prices Ignoring Primary Cause -- Oil Speculators | Crooks and Liars

Seeded on Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:09 AM EST
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Karl Rove and Sean Hannity had a lot of fun "worrying" over how rising gas prices might affect President Obama's re-election. Rove is certain that no President can be re-elected if gas prices are rising.

I thought that was interesting, so I went and checked out some facts about historical oil prices, especially since Rove seems to have forgotten that the all-time high for gas prices was in July, 2008, when they hit $4.21 per gallon. Remember John McCain calling for a suspension of the national gas tax? Shortly after hitting that all-time high, prices plummeted. In fact, there has been a trend of extreme volatility in gasoline (and oil) prices for the past ten years, 

What's notable about Hannity and Rove's concern trolling here is what they don't mention: Oil speculation. Instead they natter on about how President Obama wants gas prices to be at $5.00 per gallon to serve his "radical agenda." But speculators are playing a very large role in the steep rise in the price of oil, once again, just like they did in 2008.

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easyjjgrand3

This is the recipe:

Use the conservative media noise machine to ramp up concerns about Iran, an oil-producing nation. This is the fear premium.
Make sure all conservatives running for President echo the same talking points about how the sole obstacle to lower gasoline prices is President Obama's silly homage to "radical environmentalists".
Make sure there are no impediments to behind-the-scenes manipulation of crude oil prices via speculation.
Speculate wildly, hedging all ways so no matter what happens, you make money.
As prices rise, use your 24/7 media machine to make sure everyone knows these prices just wouldn't be rising without policy decisions made by this President.
Whatever you do, do NOT mention speculation at all.
Lather, rinse, repeat. Over, and over, and over until it becomes fact without evidence.

Don't expect Hannity and Rove to tell you that. It would wreck their fact-free discussion and cause their "concerns" to evaporate.

  • 5 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:10 AM EST
Shelby Davenport

And here we go again.

I'd add one element to the recipe: Be sure to gloss over the fact that refineries seem to have this funny way of needing to go off line during these periods. Maintenance, upgrades, always at the same time the cost of petroleum rises.

  • 8 votes
#1.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:16 AM EST
Becks72

Enron shut down power plants for maintenance for the same reasons, greed. Or in this case it might be political opportunism. My question still remains why isn't Rove in jail?

  • 7 votes
#1.2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:56 AM EST
TPisFORtheBATHROOM101

We actually export more oil than we import. All in the name of profit$. If derrr gop REALLY gives 2 hoots,tell their lobbying pals to keep some of the oil here.

This article states that 'net imports have not been negative for nearly 2 decades.' Meaning,it's a word f**k which translates as...yes,we export more than we import,and have been for almost 20 years.

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/energy-problem-u-oil-exports-rise-174452881.html

  • 1 vote
#1.3 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:37 PM EST
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Better Careful

We can fix this problem. Let's nationalize one of the large oil companies and break their cabal, monopoly, and stranglehold. A little competition would serve our nation well.

  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:58 AM EST
easyjjgrand3

We can fix this problem. Let's nationalize one of the large oil companies and break their cabal, monopoly, and stranglehold. A little competition would serve our nation well.

Or perhaps we should look over the Speculators shoulders, and ask them, Why?

  • 2 votes
#2.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:31 PM EST
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madvargr

Maybe the reason why gas is high is because the US is suddenly exporting millions of barrels???

The number of rigs in U.S. oil fields has more than quad­rupled in the past three years to 1,272, according to the Baker Hughes rig count. Including those in natural gas fields, the United States now has more rigs at work than the entire rest of the world.

Who has been president for the past three years??

  • 6 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:27 PM EST
easyjjgrand3

Who has been president for the past three years??

madvargr....The name escapes me for whatever reason(s), but I'm certain it'll come To me in due time....lol

In essence Hannity, and Rove are saying to the American public; "You are not too well informed as to how gas prices are set", and to me that borders on criminal.

  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:24 PM EST
Ripley8

madvargr

Maybe the reason why gas is high is because the US is suddenly exporting millions of barrels???

The number of rigs in U.S. oil fields has more than quad­rupled in the past three years to 1,272, according to the Baker Hughes rig count. Including those in natural gas fields, the United States now has more rigs at work than the entire rest of the world.

Who has been president for the past three years??

are you suggesting the president should have control of oil companies and a say as to where the oil goes ?

in that same vein one could say the president should be able to control all companies ... even small business.

Maybe congress could do something ? but that too would be government in control of business.

is that what you approve of ?

    Reply#5 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:35 PM EST
    madvargr

    No - I'm saying Obama has done more to increase domestic production than any Republican has ever dreamed of - the problem of high gas prices has little to do with the President and a lot to do with US oil companies doing everything they can to raise their already obscene profits. America is now currently exporting refined gasoline for some @!$%#ed up reason - probably because the oil companies can make more money from other nations who aren't addicted to cheap gas. Combined with the scum sucking speculators, like the Kochs, and you have a wonderful way to @!$%# the last few pennies of wealth out of what is left of America's middle class.

    I'd prefer Obama live up to the socialist label and nationalize all the oil companies, but what do I know...

    • 2 votes
    #5.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:40 PM EST
    Ripley8

    eeekkk maddy ! you'll have the right mad at you ! lol.

    I agree with you however!

    • 2 votes
    #5.2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:19 PM EST
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    Texasguy01

    They know who is behind it and Bernie Sanders has the good. No one will publish it.

    http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/sen-bernie-sanders-leaks-oil-trading-

    Wow. This is amazing, and although the article doesn't confirm it, the data must reflect market manipulation or Bernie wouldn't have leaked it:

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Oil trading data that exposed the extensive positions speculators held in the run-up to record high prices in 2008 were intentionally leaked by a U.S. senator, sparking broader concern about industry confidentiality as Congress moves on Wall Street reform.

    Senator Bernie Sanders, a staunch critic of oil speculators, leaked the information to a major newspaper in a move that has unsettled both regulators and Wall Street alike.

    In a June 16 e-mail reviewed by Reuters, a senior policy adviser to Sanders discusses how his office received private data with the names and positions of traders and forwarded it exclusively to a Wall Street Journal reporter.

    The e-mail, which also attaches two files with the data, was sent to Public Citizen's Tyson Slocum asking him to review it and speak with the newspaper about his observations.

    In a statement from Sanders provided to Reuters, Sanders said he felt the data needed to be publicly aired.

    "The CFTC has kept this information hidden from the American public for nearly three years," he said. "This is an outrage. The American people have a right to know exactly who caused gas prices to skyrocket in 2008 and who is causing them to spike today."

    The leaked information has sparked concern at the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, which is legally prohibited from releasing confidential information that identifies trader positions and identities.

    The leak also raises broader questions as U.S. regulators gear up to collect massive new amounts of private data from market players on everything from swaps and hedge funds to blueprints for how large financial firms can be liquidated. The breach of data could make Wall Street less reluctant to hand over sensitive information if they fear it is not appropriately safeguarded.

    "This type of incident will have a chilling effect on derivatives trading in the U.S. because market participants will be reluctant to take the risk that their positions will be exposed to the public-and their competitors," John Damgard, president of the Futures Industry Association, said in a statement sent to Reuters.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#6 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:39 PM EST
    Beebobby

    Good for America= bad for the GOTP

    Bad for the GOTP=good for America

    • 2 votes
    Reply#7 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:58 PM EST
    Susan-649485

    Here is an article I came across that talks about the effect of oil speculation.

    The CEO of Exxon admitted to congress that the cost of oil should be around $60 - $70 a barrel. He said that the reason that oil was so high (it was around $100 a barrel at the time) was because of oil speculating.

    So,

    Given the current price of oil (New York Mercantile Exchange quoted at $98bbl, Brent Crude $115/bbl) at say $100/bbl and Tillerson's speculation free $60/bbl. makes a difference of $40/bbl. The U.S. alone consumes some 20 million barrels/day. In other words we are paying a $800,000,000 speculation premium a day ($40 x 20 million barrels) or $292 billion/year

    That's something to think about, isn't it?

    • 1 vote
    Reply#8 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:09 PM EST
    DocPhil

    the new Fox talking points...... high gasoline prices, blame Obama........high gasoline prices, give the speculators a pass.......high gasoline prices, give the oil companies a pass........high gasoline prices..... challenge Obama's foreign policy.......Hannity, Rove, and O'Reilly should all be ashamed of themselves, except they have no shame.

      Reply#9 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:59 PM EST
      Better Careful

      If Obama fixed this problem the right-wing would have fits. High oil and gasoline prices are something they favor and seek. They should shut up and enjoy the fruits of their plunder. However, shutting up is not what they do, even in their own best interests.

      It's doubly stupid to shoot yourself in the foot, when you have that foot lodged firmly in your mouth.

        Reply#10 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:04 PM EST
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